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If Pleasure Is Good, Why Does Epicurus Reject Some Pleasures?

Pleasure can be good without making every pleasant action worth choosing. Epicurus asks what follows: an immediate pleasure may bring greater later annoyance, while a present difficulty may lead to a better result. A worked comparison shows why changed circumstances can change the choice.

Philosophy learners interpreting an ancient ethical passage · 9 minute read · Published

The distinction is between pleasure and choosing it

The Letter to Menoeceus calls pleasure the first good and the starting point of choice and avoidance. It then says we do not choose every pleasure: some are followed by greater annoyance. It also allows choosing a pain when the result is a greater pleasure. [1] Those are parts of the same passage, not a later correction that abandons its aim.

Separate two judgments. One concerns what an experience is like: an experience is pleasant. The other concerns whether to choose an action that leads to that experience, given what else follows. An immediately pleasant part does not establish that the entire course of action is worth pursuing.

The Stanford account identifies the long-term comparison with LM 129 and describes reasoning as the capacity to recognize that an immediate pleasure may lead to later pain or harm. The MIT version is not numbered, so locate the primary passage by its claim that pleasure is the first good. [2]

Make the later consequences visible

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Two different judgments in the choice passage
QuestionWhat it establishesWhat it leaves open
Is this experience pleasant?It can identify a good in Epicurus’s account.What pursuing it brings about afterward.
Is this action worth choosing in these circumstances?It compares the course of action with its consequences.A universal verdict on every similar-looking action.
Would a present difficulty lead to a greater later pleasure?It can explain choosing a difficulty within the stated assumptions.A rule to seek difficulty for its own sake.
Is there enough evidence about the consequences?It identifies the basis of the comparison.Certainty about every future outcome.

Epicurus says to measure the advantages and disadvantages against one another. The letter does not give a unit, numerical scale or equation for doing that. A table can expose your assumptions, but assigning invented “pleasure points” would not make those assumptions measurements from the text.

Keep the action’s time horizon explicit. If the immediate benefit is mentioned but an expected later burden is silently dropped, the comparison has changed. If the later burden is only guessed, label it as uncertain rather than claiming the conclusion has been established.

Work a fully stated fictional comparison

For this exercise, assume Mira has a small piece of preparation to finish before a fixed group deadline. Watching an optional episode now would be enjoyable. Also assume postponing the preparation until the last moment would produce the stated later disruption, while doing it now would avoid that disruption. These are invented circumstances, not a study of productivity or a prediction about your life.

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Original teaching case: compare the supplied consequences
OptionImmediate featureLater consequence stipulated for the exerciseReading
Watch now and postpone preparationEnjoyable episode.The unfinished preparation causes the specified last-minute disruption.The immediate pleasure does not settle whether this whole option is worth choosing.
Complete preparation now, then choose leisureThe preparation involves a short unwanted effort.The group task is ready; the stated disruption is avoided.A present difficulty can be chosen for the later outcome under these assumptions.

The second option illustrates the passage’s allowance for choosing a present difficulty. The reason is the supplied consequence, not a claim that work is always good and leisure always bad. No cost-benefit number has been measured, and the example does not say that every deadline should outrank every other concern.

Now reverse a decisive assumption. Suppose the group has postponed the deadline, no preparation is required today and the optional episode brings none of the earlier stipulated disruption. The first comparison no longer applies unchanged. A reader who still gives the identical verdict without considering the change has turned a conditional choice rule into a slogan.

Read the aim as more than an endless stream of stimulation

Later in the letter, Epicurus explains the pleasant life through freedom from bodily pain and disturbance of the soul. He contrasts it with an unbroken succession of elaborate entertainments and describes sober reasoning about choice and avoidance. [1] That context makes the rejection of some pleasures easier to understand.

Freedom from disturbance is not presented merely as the absence of a named party or luxury. SEP describes Epicurean happiness as a form of pleasure in its own right, and discusses the distinction between “static” and “kinetic” pleasure while noting that its precise nature is debated. [2] A short reading should preserve that qualification instead of presenting a complete, uncontested classification.

For the present question, the important point is sufficient: pursuing ever more stimulation is not the only model of a pleasant life in the account. The course of action can be assessed through the stability it permits and the disturbances it introduces. That is not a guarantee that a particular modern lifestyle, product or treatment will achieve the aim.

Avoid three shortcuts the passage does not supply

“Every pleasant option must be chosen.” This drops the letter’s explicit later-consequence comparison. It mistakes the good of an experience for an unconditional instruction to perform whatever produces it.

“Pain is better, so seek more of it.” The passage allows choosing a pain for what follows from it; it does not replace pleasure with pain as the aim. If the proposed later benefit disappears, the same argument for choosing that pain disappears with it.

“One score settles every decision.” The letter gives no universal numerical procedure. A useful comparison states the option, assumptions, relevant consequences and uncertainty. It also does not function as a complete account of every moral question; broader claims need the relevant text and argument.

The desire classification asks a neighboring question: what need or expectation is being pursued? Use it to clarify the aim, then return to the particular choice and its consequences. Neither lesson replaces the other.

Check three choices and changed assumptions

These original cases test the scope of the argument. They do not prescribe a health, work or financial decision.

Case 1

A reader says: “Epicurus calls pleasure good, therefore he must choose an immediately pleasant action even when its stated consequence is greater annoyance.” Which distinction is missing?

Show answer and explanation for case 1

Pleasantness and choiceworthiness have been collapsed.

The text accepts pleasure as a good while explicitly rejecting some choices because of what follows. To assess the action, keep the stipulated later annoyance in the comparison. Identifying one pleasant feature does not assess the complete course of action.

Case 2

In Mira’s invented case, the deadline is postponed and the earlier later-disruption assumption is removed. Must the same argument still require doing the preparation immediately?

Show answer and explanation for case 2

No. The decisive assumptions have changed.

The earlier verdict depended on the stipulated later consequence. Remove it and the reader must compare the new situation, rather than reuse a conclusion as if it were unconditional. This does not prove which option is best in every real situation; it exposes the conditional structure.

Case 3

An exercise assigns each option an invented score and calls the total “Epicurus’s scientifically measured utility.” Has the letter supplied that measurement?

Show answer and explanation for case 3

No. An invented teaching score is not a measurement or an equation from the letter.

The text directs comparison of advantages and disadvantages but supplies no numerical scale or scientific protocol. If a classroom model uses points, it must identify them as its own stipulated model and explain their limits. No such numerical model is used in this reading.

Write a conclusion with its assumptions

A useful conclusion reads: “Under the stated circumstances, the immediately pleasant option brings a later burden that gives a reason to reject it. The alternative difficulty is chosen for its result, not for pain itself.” That explains the apparent contradiction and keeps the comparison open to changed evidence.

For the letter’s treatment of uncertainty and action, continue to fate, chance and our own agency. For its specific argument about a fear of mortality, read death is nothing to us.

Sources and further reading

  1. Epicurus: Letter to Menoeceus — Hicks translation, MIT Internet Classics ArchiveIntact primary passages on choosing pleasures and pains, future uncertainty, necessity, fortune and our own agency. Visibly damaged transcription sentences are not quoted or silently reconstructed.
  2. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Epicurus — Psychology and EthicsComplete section consulted for pleasure, choice, LM references and the qualified account of later atomic-swerve evidence; no underlying original works or complete entry claimed read.
  3. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Epicurus — SourcesThe letters’ transmission and limits of attributing later Epicurean evidence directly to the founder.